The pair were both raised as self-described "military brats" and discuss some of the similarities and differences in their upbringings. Jay speaks first from his home in Amarillo, Texas; then we’ll hear from Pam, who was in Texas at the time of the recording as well. This conversation was recorded via Zoom and so it should be expected that the quality of the audio you hear may be varied. Special thanks to Lynn Boitano and Debra Bolton for facilitating these conversations.